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		<title>By: Carson Went</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carson Went</dc:creator>
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		<description>i liked Robin Applin comment&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;44392&#039;,&#039;Carson Went&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;44392&#039;,&#039;Carson Went&#039;,&#039;i liked Robin Applin comment&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: 10 most important skills and attributes that 21st century journalists need to possess. 10 most important skills and attributes that 21st century journalists need to possess. &#171; The Working Journalist 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 most important skills and attributes that 21st century journalists need to possess. 10 most important skills and attributes that 21st century journalists need to possess. &#171; The Working Journalist 2009</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] The essential attributes that journalists need are well set out by authority in the field or experienced journalist. Equipping with these attributes, a journalist would definitely be respectable and recognize by the [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;8036&#039;,&#039;10 most important skills and attributes that 21st century journalists need to possess. 10 most important skills and attributes that 21st century journalists need to possess. &laquo; The Working Journalist 2009&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;8036&#039;,&#039;10 most important skills and attributes that 21st century journalists need to possess. 10 most important skills and attributes that 21st century journalists need to possess. &laquo; The Working Journalist 2009&#039;,&#039;&#091;...&#093; The essential attributes that journalists need are well set out by authority in the field or experienced journalist. Equipping with these attributes, a journalist would definitely be respectable and recognize by the &#091;...&#093;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Cool Links #30: The Tooth Will Set You Free &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool Links #30: The Tooth Will Set You Free &#171; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 16) While journalism needs to change in order to survive in the 21st Century, certain ideals need to be kept and the Save the Media blog has a great list of ethical behaviors to hang on to. [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6830&#039;,&#039;Cool Links #30: The Tooth Will Set You Free &laquo; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6830&#039;,&#039;Cool Links #30: The Tooth Will Set You Free &laquo; TEACH J: For Teachers of Journalism And Media&#039;,&#039;&#091;...&#093; 16) While journalism needs to change in order to survive in the 21st Century, certain ideals need to be kept and the Save the Media blog has a great list of ethical behaviors to hang on to. &#091;...&#093;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: bloggingmom67</title>
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		<dc:creator>bloggingmom67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5595&#039;&gt;@Nene&lt;/a&gt; - 

I see what you were saying about Joe the Plumber. Do get your point.

As far as parents being the experts, I love your idea to view it that way. You&#039;re right -- they are truly the experts, but I don&#039;t think most journalists would see it that way or describe them as such.

In my experience, many education stories (and others, but I&#039;m picking on education today) lack these &quot;experts&quot; and rely too heavily on the official voice. When I edited reporters, my biggest struggle was to get them to quote a greater variety of voices in a story. I think some reporters tend to go to the same people again and again because they have a relationship with these sources, and, quite frankly, it&#039;s easier.

I&#039;ve ready many government, education, political stories that quoted just paid government leaders; I&#039;ve read seldom that truly treated the stakeholders as experts. That I think is a shame.

Thanks for expanding the discussion. Your insightful comments have really made me think.

-- Gina&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5874&#039;,&#039;bloggingmom67&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;5874&#039;,&#039;bloggingmom67&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-5595\&#039;&gt;@Nene&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nI see what you were saying about Joe the Plumber. Do get your point.\r\n\r\nAs far as parents being the experts, I love your idea to view it that way. You\&#039;re right -- they are truly the experts, but I don\&#039;t think most journalists would see it that way or describe them as such.\r\n\r\nIn my experience, many education stories (and others, but I\&#039;m picking on education today) lack these \&quot;experts\&quot; and rely too heavily on the official voice. When I edited reporters, my biggest struggle was to get them to quote a greater variety of voices in a story. I think some reporters tend to go to the same people again and again because they have a relationship with these sources, and, quite frankly, it\&#039;s easier.\r\n\r\nI\&#039;ve ready many government, education, political stories that quoted just paid government leaders; I\&#039;ve read seldom that truly treated the stakeholders as experts. That I think is a shame.\r\n\r\nThanks for expanding the discussion. Your insightful comments have really made me think.\r\n\r\n-- Gina&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5595'>@Nene</a> &#8211; </p>
<p>I see what you were saying about Joe the Plumber. Do get your point.</p>
<p>As far as parents being the experts, I love your idea to view it that way. You&#8217;re right &#8212; they are truly the experts, but I don&#8217;t think most journalists would see it that way or describe them as such.</p>
<p>In my experience, many education stories (and others, but I&#8217;m picking on education today) lack these &#8220;experts&#8221; and rely too heavily on the official voice. When I edited reporters, my biggest struggle was to get them to quote a greater variety of voices in a story. I think some reporters tend to go to the same people again and again because they have a relationship with these sources, and, quite frankly, it&#8217;s easier.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve ready many government, education, political stories that quoted just paid government leaders; I&#8217;ve read seldom that truly treated the stakeholders as experts. That I think is a shame.</p>
<p>Thanks for expanding the discussion. Your insightful comments have really made me think.</p>
<p>&#8211; Gina
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5874','bloggingmom67'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5874','bloggingmom67','&lt;a href=\'#comment-5595\'&gt;@Nene&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nI see what you were saying about Joe the Plumber. Do get your point.\r\n\r\nAs far as parents being the experts, I love your idea to view it that way. You\'re right -- they are truly the experts, but I don\'t think most journalists would see it that way or describe them as such.\r\n\r\nIn my experience, many education stories (and others, but I\'m picking on education today) lack these \&quot;experts\&quot; and rely too heavily on the official voice. When I edited reporters, my biggest struggle was to get them to quote a greater variety of voices in a story. I think some reporters tend to go to the same people again and again because they have a relationship with these sources, and, quite frankly, it\'s easier.\r\n\r\nI\'ve ready many government, education, political stories that quoted just paid government leaders; I\'ve read seldom that truly treated the stakeholders as experts. That I think is a shame.\r\n\r\nThanks for expanding the discussion. Your insightful comments have really made me think.\r\n\r\n-- Gina'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: bloggingmom67</title>
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		<dc:creator>bloggingmom67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5341&#039;&gt;@Anthony Salveggi&lt;/a&gt; - 

Very good point -- I agree. Just throwing two points out there without having the two -- or more -- sides defend them is, well, pointless.

I think it&#039;s the casualty of laziness often.

-- Gina&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5872&#039;,&#039;bloggingmom67&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;5872&#039;,&#039;bloggingmom67&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-5341\&#039;&gt;@Anthony Salveggi&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nVery good point -- I agree. Just throwing two points out there without having the two -- or more -- sides defend them is, well, pointless.\r\n\r\nI think it\&#039;s the casualty of laziness often.\r\n\r\n-- Gina&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5341'>@Anthony Salveggi</a> &#8211; </p>
<p>Very good point &#8212; I agree. Just throwing two points out there without having the two &#8212; or more &#8212; sides defend them is, well, pointless.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s the casualty of laziness often.</p>
<p>&#8211; Gina
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5872','bloggingmom67'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5872','bloggingmom67','&lt;a href=\'#comment-5341\'&gt;@Anthony Salveggi&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nVery good point -- I agree. Just throwing two points out there without having the two -- or more -- sides defend them is, well, pointless.\r\n\r\nI think it\'s the casualty of laziness often.\r\n\r\n-- Gina'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Nene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gina &gt; why I brought up Joe the Plumber was to emphasize how &quot;Average Joe&quot; can and will be misused to serve just about any purpose. @ your point about parents, they are not really &quot;average joes&quot; in that situation, are they? They are more like users or experts? Or, re the below, an opposing POW to that of the teachers&#039;.

@Anthony &gt; you&#039;re absolutely right. Just leaving two (opposing) points of view standing there is useless, you need to let them get at each other&#039;s arguments. That is what I meant in my comment, but I could definitely have clarified it better.

Good and very necessary debate!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5595&#039;,&#039;Nene&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;5595&#039;,&#039;Nene&#039;,&#039;@Gina &gt; why I brought up Joe the Plumber was to emphasize how \&quot;Average Joe\&quot; can and will be misused to serve just about any purpose. @ your point about parents, they are not really \&quot;average joes\&quot; in that situation, are they? They are more like users or experts? Or, re the below, an opposing POW to that of the teachers\&#039;.\r\n\r\n@Anthony &gt; you\&#039;re absolutely right. Just leaving two (opposing) points of view standing there is useless, you need to let them get at each other\&#039;s arguments. That is what I meant in my comment, but I could definitely have clarified it better.\r\n\r\nGood and very necessary debate!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gina &gt; why I brought up Joe the Plumber was to emphasize how &#8220;Average Joe&#8221; can and will be misused to serve just about any purpose. @ your point about parents, they are not really &#8220;average joes&#8221; in that situation, are they? They are more like users or experts? Or, re the below, an opposing POW to that of the teachers&#8217;.</p>
<p>@Anthony &gt; you&#8217;re absolutely right. Just leaving two (opposing) points of view standing there is useless, you need to let them get at each other&#8217;s arguments. That is what I meant in my comment, but I could definitely have clarified it better.</p>
<p>Good and very necessary debate!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5595','Nene'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5595','Nene','@Gina &amp;gt; why I brought up Joe the Plumber was to emphasize how \&quot;Average Joe\&quot; can and will be misused to serve just about any purpose. @ your point about parents, they are not really \&quot;average joes\&quot; in that situation, are they? They are more like users or experts? Or, re the below, an opposing POW to that of the teachers\'.\r\n\r\n@Anthony &amp;gt; you\'re absolutely right. Just leaving two (opposing) points of view standing there is useless, you need to let them get at each other\'s arguments. That is what I meant in my comment, but I could definitely have clarified it better.\r\n\r\nGood and very necessary debate!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: All the News: The Companion Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>All the News: The Companion Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anthony Salveggi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Salveggi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Gina. If I may add one point, which Nene briefly touched on. In my newsroom experience, the process of seeking out sources to provide opposing viewpoints is often carried out as an end unto itself. In other words, reporters are content to insert quotes that conflict with each other as if they&#039;ve provided a public service. In fact, they haven&#039;t. 

What reporters should be doing is pressing sources to explain their positions and defend them against contradictions point-by-point. THAT would be illuminating and valuable. But to do this requires an innate inquisitiveness which, sadly, a lot of journalists don&#039;t have. Instead, filing the article becomes an end unto itself.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5341&#039;,&#039;Anthony Salveggi&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;5341&#039;,&#039;Anthony Salveggi&#039;,&#039;Great post, Gina. If I may add one point, which Nene briefly touched on. In my newsroom experience, the process of seeking out sources to provide opposing viewpoints is often carried out as an end unto itself. In other words, reporters are content to insert quotes that conflict with each other as if they\&#039;ve provided a public service. In fact, they haven\&#039;t. \r\n\r\nWhat reporters should be doing is pressing sources to explain their positions and defend them against contradictions point-by-point. THAT would be illuminating and valuable. But to do this requires an innate inquisitiveness which, sadly, a lot of journalists don\&#039;t have. Instead, filing the article becomes an end unto itself.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Gina. If I may add one point, which Nene briefly touched on. In my newsroom experience, the process of seeking out sources to provide opposing viewpoints is often carried out as an end unto itself. In other words, reporters are content to insert quotes that conflict with each other as if they&#8217;ve provided a public service. In fact, they haven&#8217;t. </p>
<p>What reporters should be doing is pressing sources to explain their positions and defend them against contradictions point-by-point. THAT would be illuminating and valuable. But to do this requires an innate inquisitiveness which, sadly, a lot of journalists don&#8217;t have. Instead, filing the article becomes an end unto itself.
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		<title>By: bloggingmom67</title>
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		<dc:creator>bloggingmom67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5281&#039;&gt;@Nene&lt;/a&gt; - 

Well, Joe the Plumber ... I wouldn&#039;t quite call him a &quot;regular Joe&quot; despite his name (which wasn&#039;t really his name.) He was pretty much in my mind a plant by a particular party to make a particular point. 

And I do agree that &lt;strong&gt;just&lt;/strong&gt; talking to &quot;average Joes&quot; could make for shallow coverage.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t want to read a story about the toxic mortgage crisis, for example, that quoted only &quot;regular Joes&quot; because they likely wouldn&#039;t understand it. (Who really does?) That type story begs for experts, and a variety of them to make the issues clear -- or at least more clear.

However, I would love to hear from homeowners who had to foreclose in light of the crisis -- and understand how they got in that spot.

Another example: If you cover education, and you only quote the schools superintendent and the school board members, you get a very limited view of what&#039;s going on in the schools. You get spin.

They&#039;re not going to tell you that the &quot;new math&quot; program that the district officials touted so proudly makes it tough for first-graders to understand the concept of adding. 

Or that ninth-graders have no time in their schedule for lunch because they&#039;re too busy taking advanced-placement classes to help them get into the best colleges.

Talk to parents, and you&#039;ll find that out in a hurry.

Journalism to me is at its best when there&#039;s a balance between quoting the officials -- and the stakeholders, who in many cases are regular folks. 

But I agree that whenever journalists quote anyone, they should strive to find people who know enough about the issue to have an opinion worth repeating. Good point.

-- Gina&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5310&#039;,&#039;bloggingmom67&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;5310&#039;,&#039;bloggingmom67&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-5281\&#039;&gt;@Nene&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nWell, Joe the Plumber ... I wouldn\&#039;t quite call him a \&quot;regular Joe\&quot; despite his name (which wasn\&#039;t really his name.) He was pretty much in my mind a plant by a particular party to make a particular point. \r\n\r\nAnd I do agree that &lt;strong&gt;just&lt;\/strong&gt; talking to \&quot;average Joes\&quot; could make for shallow coverage.  I certainly wouldn\&#039;t want to read a story about the toxic mortgage crisis, for example, that quoted only \&quot;regular Joes\&quot; because they likely wouldn\&#039;t understand it. (Who really does?) That type story begs for experts, and a variety of them to make the issues clear -- or at least more clear.\r\n\r\nHowever, I would love to hear from homeowners who had to foreclose in light of the crisis -- and understand how they got in that spot.\r\n\r\nAnother example: If you cover education, and you only quote the schools superintendent and the school board members, you get a very limited view of what\&#039;s going on in the schools. You get spin.\r\n\r\nThey\&#039;re not going to tell you that the \&quot;new math\&quot; program that the district officials touted so proudly makes it tough for first-graders to understand the concept of adding. \r\n\r\nOr that ninth-graders have no time in their schedule for lunch because they\&#039;re too busy taking advanced-placement classes to help them get into the best colleges.\r\n\r\nTalk to parents, and you\&#039;ll find that out in a hurry.\r\n\r\nJournalism to me is at its best when there\&#039;s a balance between quoting the officials -- and the stakeholders, who in many cases are regular folks. \r\n\r\nBut I agree that whenever journalists quote anyone, they should strive to find people who know enough about the issue to have an opinion worth repeating. Good point.\r\n\r\n-- Gina&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5281'>@Nene</a> &#8211; </p>
<p>Well, Joe the Plumber &#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t quite call him a &#8220;regular Joe&#8221; despite his name (which wasn&#8217;t really his name.) He was pretty much in my mind a plant by a particular party to make a particular point. </p>
<p>And I do agree that <strong>just</strong> talking to &#8220;average Joes&#8221; could make for shallow coverage.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t want to read a story about the toxic mortgage crisis, for example, that quoted only &#8220;regular Joes&#8221; because they likely wouldn&#8217;t understand it. (Who really does?) That type story begs for experts, and a variety of them to make the issues clear &#8212; or at least more clear.</p>
<p>However, I would love to hear from homeowners who had to foreclose in light of the crisis &#8212; and understand how they got in that spot.</p>
<p>Another example: If you cover education, and you only quote the schools superintendent and the school board members, you get a very limited view of what&#8217;s going on in the schools. You get spin.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not going to tell you that the &#8220;new math&#8221; program that the district officials touted so proudly makes it tough for first-graders to understand the concept of adding. </p>
<p>Or that ninth-graders have no time in their schedule for lunch because they&#8217;re too busy taking advanced-placement classes to help them get into the best colleges.</p>
<p>Talk to parents, and you&#8217;ll find that out in a hurry.</p>
<p>Journalism to me is at its best when there&#8217;s a balance between quoting the officials &#8212; and the stakeholders, who in many cases are regular folks. </p>
<p>But I agree that whenever journalists quote anyone, they should strive to find people who know enough about the issue to have an opinion worth repeating. Good point.</p>
<p>&#8211; Gina
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5310','bloggingmom67'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5310','bloggingmom67','&lt;a href=\'#comment-5281\'&gt;@Nene&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nWell, Joe the Plumber ... I wouldn\'t quite call him a \&quot;regular Joe\&quot; despite his name (which wasn\'t really his name.) He was pretty much in my mind a plant by a particular party to make a particular point. \r\n\r\nAnd I do agree that &lt;strong&gt;just&lt;\/strong&gt; talking to \&quot;average Joes\&quot; could make for shallow coverage.  I certainly wouldn\'t want to read a story about the toxic mortgage crisis, for example, that quoted only \&quot;regular Joes\&quot; because they likely wouldn\'t understand it. (Who really does?) That type story begs for experts, and a variety of them to make the issues clear -- or at least more clear.\r\n\r\nHowever, I would love to hear from homeowners who had to foreclose in light of the crisis -- and understand how they got in that spot.\r\n\r\nAnother example: If you cover education, and you only quote the schools superintendent and the school board members, you get a very limited view of what\'s going on in the schools. You get spin.\r\n\r\nThey\'re not going to tell you that the \&quot;new math\&quot; program that the district officials touted so proudly makes it tough for first-graders to understand the concept of adding. \r\n\r\nOr that ninth-graders have no time in their schedule for lunch because they\'re too busy taking advanced-placement classes to help them get into the best colleges.\r\n\r\nTalk to parents, and you\'ll find that out in a hurry.\r\n\r\nJournalism to me is at its best when there\'s a balance between quoting the officials -- and the stakeholders, who in many cases are regular folks. \r\n\r\nBut I agree that whenever journalists quote anyone, they should strive to find people who know enough about the issue to have an opinion worth repeating. Good point.\r\n\r\n-- Gina'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<description>Hi Gina,
While I agree with most of your article and wish that more journos adhered to those rules, I&#039;d like to challenge your rule about quoting &quot;regular folks&quot; (such an American expression :-)  ). Of course you need to keep in contact with &quot;normal people&quot; so as not to be too embedded in the ivory tower of media, but I&#039;m not so sure about asking Average Joe his opinion on this, that or the other for a piece in the paper. What for? All too often, when &quot;average Joe&quot; is quoted in papers or interviewed on TV/radio, all it amounts to is populist nonsense. (The whole awful business with Joe the Plumber springs to mind...).

My other issue is the good old rule about always quoting two or more (opposing) sources. I find that more and more journalists in almost all types of media seem to forget this and I must say that it&#039;s sorely missed! 

Hats off to your blog and its most honourable purpose!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5281&#039;,&#039;Nene&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;5281&#039;,&#039;Nene&#039;,&#039;Hi Gina,\r\nWhile I agree with most of your article and wish that more journos adhered to those rules, I\&#039;d like to challenge your rule about quoting \&quot;regular folks\&quot; (such an American expression :-)  ). Of course you need to keep in contact with \&quot;normal people\&quot; so as not to be too embedded in the ivory tower of media, but I\&#039;m not so sure about asking Average Joe his opinion on this, that or the other for a piece in the paper. What for? All too often, when \&quot;average Joe\&quot; is quoted in papers or interviewed on TV\/radio, all it amounts to is populist nonsense. (The whole awful business with Joe the Plumber springs to mind...).\r\n\r\nMy other issue is the good old rule about always quoting two or more (opposing) sources. I find that more and more journalists in almost all types of media seem to forget this and I must say that it\&#039;s sorely missed! \r\n\r\nHats off to your blog and its most honourable purpose!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gina,<br />
While I agree with most of your article and wish that more journos adhered to those rules, I&#8217;d like to challenge your rule about quoting &#8220;regular folks&#8221; (such an American expression <img src='http://savethemedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   ). Of course you need to keep in contact with &#8220;normal people&#8221; so as not to be too embedded in the ivory tower of media, but I&#8217;m not so sure about asking Average Joe his opinion on this, that or the other for a piece in the paper. What for? All too often, when &#8220;average Joe&#8221; is quoted in papers or interviewed on TV/radio, all it amounts to is populist nonsense. (The whole awful business with Joe the Plumber springs to mind&#8230;).</p>
<p>My other issue is the good old rule about always quoting two or more (opposing) sources. I find that more and more journalists in almost all types of media seem to forget this and I must say that it&#8217;s sorely missed! </p>
<p>Hats off to your blog and its most honourable purpose!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5281','Nene'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5281','Nene','Hi Gina,\r\nWhile I agree with most of your article and wish that more journos adhered to those rules, I\'d like to challenge your rule about quoting \&quot;regular folks\&quot; (such an American expression :-)  ). Of course you need to keep in contact with \&quot;normal people\&quot; so as not to be too embedded in the ivory tower of media, but I\'m not so sure about asking Average Joe his opinion on this, that or the other for a piece in the paper. What for? All too often, when \&quot;average Joe\&quot; is quoted in papers or interviewed on TV\/radio, all it amounts to is populist nonsense. (The whole awful business with Joe the Plumber springs to mind...).\r\n\r\nMy other issue is the good old rule about always quoting two or more (opposing) sources. I find that more and more journalists in almost all types of media seem to forget this and I must say that it\'s sorely missed! \r\n\r\nHats off to your blog and its most honourable purpose!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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